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Below is a list of Finnish players willing to make at least one trip to Tallinn this year.
Matti, this is the point - I cannot commit to any regular playing nights, be it even once in two weeks. Helger lives in Helsinki, so he won't be able to do that either. At least for the beginning I think that it would be a good idea to have someone around at these meetings who can explain things, answer questions and comment games every now and then - if it's only complete beginners I don't know how well it will work out.
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We do have couple of boards - I have one rather decent set (which is pretty uncomfortable to carry around though), marttiku has a folding board, Helger has a set, but that's in Helsinki I suppose. But that's about it, I think.
-- Tarmo 9.1.2004
I understood your point. What I had in mind was to see after the demonstration if there were any persons who would be able come to regular meetings (doesn't have be you). If there were nobody then we would give up for a while or have another try in Tartu.
-- [Matti] 9.1.2004
Also, there used to be Go clubs in Tartu and Narva in 1989. Tartu had several(?) 1-2d players, but also they were nonestonians, so they might have left. I however tracked down one of them - Igor Ionov has now EGF 10k, has participated in LG Cup Moscow 2003, and he is still living in Tartu. Contacting him might reveal some other hidden players, and in that sense, Tartu might have quite a potential. May be also Igor or somebody like him would like to restart the Tartu club.
-- Helger 9.1.2004
Jari said earlier that some Lithuanians have also expressed interest in spreading go in Estonia. Since Tartu is in the south and thus more conveniently located for the Lithuanians, perhaps they could help. They hang out in Lithuanian Room on KGS.
-- Markku 9.1. 2004
Anything go-promoting to take place in Tallinn would be very nice, especially if it's something regular; even regular online lessons would be much better than nothing, perhaps they'd give the necessary motivation which most of us, Estonians, are lacking of. I and a couple of my friends, I believe, would definetly be interested.
-- Alo (ubique on KGS, if anyone wishes to know) 09.01.2004
The game theory course in Tartu is mostly going to follow Conway, Guy and Berlekamp's "Winning Ways" (and _not_ Ken Binmore's "Fun and Games" as did the course last time I gave it; the link given above is therefore out of date). I will probably try to give a few real examples of combinatorial game programming as well and Go sounds fine for that purpose. So at least a couple of dozens of students in Tartu will know the rules. Whether some of them will stay playing remains to be seen.
-- Jan (janwil) 09.01.2004
Most of the Estonian players are 25k - 10k. At this level, lectures and occasional (rare) visits by foreign players won't help you much to become stronger. First of all, you have to play as often as possible to gather some experience. And you should work on your reading skills (study tesuji, solve Go-problems). That will bring you the fastest progress.
Lectures are nice to make people meet in real life (not only on KGS). But in order to create a real community, you need to organise regular (weekly) meetings and play each other. Yes, the first few months will be difficult. It needs some discipline from everybody. But you will see how fast you'll get used to meeting your Go-friends each week. And then it's a piece of cake.
Go-lectures as promotional activities won't work if you don't have regular meetings. After a lecture people will ask you where and when they can come and play. If you don't have an answer to this, you wasted an opportunity.
-- Olaf (owl on KGS) 10.01.2004
Are there any players in Tallinn, yet? This was the point of my original suggestion: to make go known in Tallinn. I believe that there are enough players in Greater Helsinki area, maybe about 150, for at least one of them to be in Tallinn once every two weeks or so organizing a club evening. It's a two hour trip to Tallinn from Helsinki. The cost (one way) varies between 30 and 50 euros + accommodation (if not at a local player's home). Tallinn is a very nice place to visit. I wouldn't mind visiting Tallinn a couple of times a year despite the fact that I don't live in Helsinki.
-- Markku 10.1. 2004
Currently I am aware of maybe 5-6 players in Tallinn, out of those only one is playing regularly (marttiku at KGS). For last few months I've played probably about 2 games a week, I don't know if this can be called regualr. Also, during winter and all the way to May it's a 3½-hour trip to Tallinn, cost is about 15 euros one way.
-- Tarmo 11.1.2004
I talked yesterday with Helger in the club. Helger will find out if the Renju club in Tallinn is interested in hosting the visits either on Saturdays or Sundays. I suggested running the EGCC beginners course and sending teachers about every two weeks. It would be good to send two (or three if we have enough people) persons at each time, so they don't get bored travelling alone and there is also enough people to teach for two.
Renju boards can be used as small size go boards, so the equipment is not a problem.
-- [Matti] 12.1.2004
Any commnets about the plan?
-- [Matti] 13.1.2004
I am discussing the matter with the renju people. Just for reference, here is [their homepage|http://www.renju.ee] (90% in Estonian), and for getting an idea of the possible audience, check [the pictures from the Estonian Renju Championship 2003|http://www.renju.ee/index.php?page=pildid&pildidteema=2003%20Eesti%20MV]. Most of the participants seem to be of age 8-16, several of them are dans,
Tunnet is the world champion.
-- [Helger] 13.1.2004
I also created a page for [Estonian Go|Estonia] in general. It is quite empty right now, and has only links to this page here and to my own page. But anybody can update it - in the future it is probably a good idea to move factual information about Estonian Go from here to there. There are also some websites in Estonian that have quite a lot of information about the few things we know about Estonian Go and Go players, but these pages are in Estonian. I hope that at some moment me and some others will take care of linking those sites to SuomiGo wiki.
Otherwise, no news yet. Any comments by anybody else?
-- [Helger] 15.1.2004
Is your discussion with the Renju people still going on?
[Matti] 19.1.2004
Yes. I sent an email to Matti about that - there are many details that are not interesting for the general public or not yet ready enough to be published. If anybody wants to get more information *now*, ask me on KGS. (Or post a request here.)
[Helger] 19.1.2004
Tein [Viron matka-aikataulu]n. I made a draft [time table|Viron matka-aikataulu].
[Matti]
Attention Estonians! Me and Tuomo Salo have booked a trip to Tallinn for Saturday 13 March. The ferry Meloodia arrives in Tallinn at 13.00. We are leaving at 15.30 on Sunday.
-- [Markku Jantunen], 9.3. 2004
Something about the [visit|http://www.minut.ee/article.pl?sid=04/03/06/1632235&mode=thread].
[Raportti, 2. matka 13.-14.3. |http://jantunen.blogspot.com/2004_03_14_jantunen_archive.html#107943171501003354]
Markku, thank you for the report. In case I forgot, also thanks to Tuomo from the earlier report.
-- Matti 16.3.2004
Some [pictures|http://moomin.ee/gallery/20040418] of the latest visit (18.04.04., Matti, Sinikka, Tuomo). Pictures by Sorts 18k.
-- Helger 19.4.2004
After a long period of silence, I would like to ask for the general opinion: if there was a tournament in Tallinn, probably sometime in October, how many people would be interested in attending? Some Lithuanians have expressed their interest (or, in fact, they brought the issue up) in coming. If there's enough interest, we could plan on the usual weekend set-up, 5-round McMahon, 3 on Saturday and 2 on Sunday. We would obviously do our best in accommodating or at least organising accommodation for participants. I'm afraid we can't offer much in terms of prizes, maybe next time :)
- tarmo 29.08.2004
Why not make a list? If your goal is to attract Finns, it would be best to make sure the date doesn't conflict with Finnish championships or any other important tournament. I suggest that you make a list of interested Finnish players and various dates.
- Markku, 30.8. 2004
As a random guess, I would say you'll get at least 10 players from Finland, since a tournament would be an excellent excuse to come and abuse the new and improved import restrictions. :-) As Markku said, it is a good idea to put up a preliminary registration list, where people can tell their preferred dates.
- [Bass], 30.8.2004
OK, let's try this, then:
[Tallinn Tournament].
- tarmo, 30.08.2004
I see that go isnt going that well lately, almost a year since someone has added something here. Someone should take the whole thing up again, organize regular meetings, ect. Although im still a student (16 years old) id like to help if i could, at the moment i'm KGS 11 kyu but i think i will break the 10 kyu barrier soon, and i have time on weekends. So i think i could teach something to the beginners. Anyways if there will be some kind of activities, let me know.
-- Tanel (pondera on KGS) 10.4.2005
Ajattelin herättää henkiin tätä keskustelua mahdollisesta Viron vierailusta. Itselläni olisi mielenkiintoa osallistua Viron matkaan mikäli saataisiin muutamia muitakin innokaita mukaan.
-- Rasmus 23.6.2005
[Älypelifestivaalit|http://www.hot.ee/kabeliit/festival.html] on yksi mahdollisuus mennä. Minulla on vaan kesä jo muutenkin niin täynnä go-tapahtumia, etten ehdi.
-- [Matti] 23.6.2005
For those, who are interested: Both Tartu and Tallinn have regular go meetings since late Spring. At this moment, the meetings in either places are on Wednesday evenings; "Ülikooli kohvik" (University Café) in Tartu and Café "Peterson" in Tallinn. In Tartu there has been sometimes more than 10 players at the same time. Currently it is a slow time (7 players the last time), but it will definitely improve in September. Tartu's club also has at least one Finnish exchange student.
As a general comment, this page might need a master edit, unless you want to store it for its historical interest. (For me it was interesting to read my own posts from January 2004... But the list of interested Finnish players is definitely outdated.)
-- [Helger] 13.8.2005
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Below is a list of Finnish players willing to make at least one trip to
Tallinn this year. (Keep it on the bottom.)
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|Markku Jantunen|2 dan|Tampere|1-2|
|Matti Siivola| 5 dan| Vantaa| 2 (or more if needed)
|Olli Lounela|3 dan|Helsinki|Depends on financial status
|Markku Jantunen|2 dan|Tampere|1-2
|Tuomo Salo|1 kyu|Tampere|many, if needed
|Antti Holappa|1 kyu|Espoo| 2 (or more if necessary)
|Suvi Leppänen | 4 kyu | Tampere | 0-N
|Thomas Gaebler | 6 kyu | Turku | 1-.... jos tiedän ajossa
|Tapio Vuorinen|8 kyu|Tampere|At least 1, probably more if financially possible
|Sinikka Siivola| 9 kyu| Vantaa
KGS nicks can be found [elsewhere|luokituslista].
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Laitoin sivun [Tallinnan turnauksesta|Tallinna2007] keväällä 2007.
--Matti 16.1.2007
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Laitoin sivun [Tallinnan turnauksesta|Tallinna2009] keväällä tai alkukesällä 2009.
--Matti 19.1.2007
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Tallinnan [turnaus|Tallinna2010] keväällä 2010.
-- [Matti] 9,4,2010
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